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Hi. My name is Karen Petty, and I am a descendant of John and Loveday Petty. I had the geneology booklet from my Aunt Joyce and Uncle Elven, but it has been lost. I just today decided to start researching my family history on my own, and the first thing that popped up when I put John and Loveday’s names into the internet was your wonderful site! What a thrill it was to begin reading it! Thank you, and I will be checking back hopefully for more info.
Karen
Hi Karen: I am pleased that you found my blog about the Smiths is useful to you in your family history searching. I will be adding more information to my blog when I can.
Hi Jean,
Thanks for such an interesting blog. I am the direct ancestor of Hannah Smith’s husband, Thomas Brindley of Marple, Poynton, Gawsworth and Cashel. See my family history on the Marple website: http://www.marple-uk.com/marple_brindleys.htm
I have a copy of Thomas’s Will and the Smiths are mentioned in it. Thomas lived at Gawsworth Hall alongside the Earl of Harrington. In his Will he left a cellar of wine, no wonder he died of an enlarged liver in 1875. My great grandfather Thomas, grandson of Thomas and Hannah, was born in Cashel.
Thomas of Gawsworth’s son Francis Brindley (named after his grandfather of Hollinsclough, Staffs and Marple, Cheshire) lived and farmed Rough Hey farm, Gawsworth. This farm once belonged to Henry Brindley, a younger brother of the great canal engineer, James Brindley. This information implies a link to our Brindleys and the canal engineer. Both of these Brindley families came from Alstonefield in the Staffordshire Moorlands.
Plenty more for you to have a look at Jean if the above is of interest.
Francis Brindley of Grantham, Robert Brindley of Marple and Bosley etc..
Noel
Hi Jean,
I of course meant by ‘direct ancestor’, the patriline, as I of course am a direct ancestor of Hannah Smith too. My Great, Great Grandfather was John Brindley, the eldest son of Thomas Brindley and Hannah Brindley, nee Smith.
Noel
I found your web site when researching Cyrus Slater (Cheshire). I notice you have put a photo of a Cyrus and Eliza Slater. Do you have their dates of birth and how are they related?
I look forward to your reply.
Thank you
Angela
Hello, Angela: The Cyrus Slater in the photograph was born in 1837 in Gawsworth, Cheshire. Eliza Slater was his wife and she was born in 1840 in Poynton, Cheshire. Her maiden name was Brindley.
I hope this helps you with your research.
Jean
Re Joseph Cowen d 1908. I was interested to see he named sister Ann Hetherington in his will. Sadly, she’d died in 1902. The address he and brother James were living at in 1871 is probably the one (hard to read) their father James left to their mother Esther in his will. Esther died in 1869 and Joseph was the sole executor.
I didn’t have a marriage for Joseph (knew from 1881 he had a wife Sarah), so it’s nice to fill in that gap from your website.
Hello, Cassie. Thanks for your comments about Joseph Cowen. That gives me a bit of context for his life. I am happy that my blog has given you some more information about his wife Sarah.
This is a great website. I was/am looking for a William Smith of London, a hairdresser. Came here on the off chance. Thank you.
Thanks, Chris. Sorry I can’t help you with your search for William Smith, hairdresser, in London.
I am a descendant of Richard Lockwood. Did you manage to identify which property your ancestors had from him? Richard Lockwood very much involved in the early development of Cashel.
Hello, Roger. My interpretation of William Bayly Upton’s will is that the property purchased from Richard Lockwood was in Fryar Street (named Friar’s Street in Griffith’s Valuation records). I cannot tell which precise piece or pieces of property were occupied by Thomas Carew. I do know that Mr. Carew was occupying property owned by William B. Upton on Friar’s Street in the late 1840s when the information for Griffith’s Valuation was being collected. I assume it was still the same property as listed in the will. Hope this helps you in your research on Richard Lockwood.
Hi, I’m wondering about Eliza Smith, or more specifically her brother William. Thanks for the excellent blog post on Eliza, it was very useful. In it, you mention that her brother William died an adolescent in 1849. I was wondering what your source for that was, as I have found the following death cert in Cashel for a William B Upton, age 44, died in 1874: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/b3be7020465320?b=
This would put his date of birth as 1830, which would line up perfectly with Eliza’s brother William, and, according the ‘Upton Family Records’, there were no other Uptons in Cashel at that time so I’m not sure who else it could be. The middle initial B would strongly suggest its a Bayly Upton, either a brother or cousin of Eliza.
Hello, Liam. I am very pleased to get your message and to know that someone is reading my blog! It’s been a while since I last added anything to the blog about the Smiths. I would love to know why you are interested in them – or maybe it is the Uptons?
Anyway, to answer your question about whether William Upton and William B Upton, both born around 1830 in Cashel, were the same person. No, these were two different people.
William Upton was born in 1832 and was the son of another William Upton, an apothecary, and Priscilla Kent; so he was the brother of Eliza Upton. William the son died in 1849 aged 16; I found a newspaper notice about that in the Limerick Chronicle dated 30 June 1949.
William B Upton was born around 1828 and was the son of David Upton and Mary Gilbert. Both these boys were grandsons of William Bayly Upton so they were first cousins.
I did some research on William B Upton who was born c 1828 and found a very bleak story. I wrote a blog post about it called “The Sad Story of William B Upton” and that was posted on the blog in November 2017. You can find the post in the archives for that month. His death is, as you know, listed in the civil records for 1874 and it says his age was 44. I believe that age is incorrect.
If you have more questions or comments, I would be happy to hear from you again. I will do my best to answer them.
Regards,
Jean
Hi Jean, yes it is the Uptons that I’m researching as I am one of this clan and I was trying to find a connection between my own ancestors in East Limerick and the other Uptons in Munster. So far I have only hit the same dead ends as WH Upton hit in his book on the family.
Thanks for another excellent blog, this time on William B Upton, I had assumed from the Upton Family Book that ‘life was wrecked in early manhood’ meant he had died before 25, but you have corrected me here, thanks for that 🙂 I agree with your comments on the blog that it is strange that a man with such a wealthy background could end up in such an unfortunate state, and the ‘life wrecked in early manhood’ comment only raises further questions. I guess we shall never know the answer to those questions!
Hi Liam: I am happy to know someone else is trying to connect the various Upton lines. My searches for information on the origin of William Bayly Upton have led me to think that his father was Christopher Upton possibly from Kilfinnane, County Limerick but I have no convincing proof of that. William Bayly Upton was definitely married in Cashel but there is no baptismal record for him there in the relevant time period. So I am pretty sure he was born elsewhere. The Church records for Kilfinnane were destroyed so I can’t check on his presence there.
Jean
Hi Jean, sorry I was unable to reply directly to your previous comment. What makes you think William Bayly had a father Christopher from Kilfinnane? The Upton Family Book also suggests Kilfinnane as his origin, but gives a possible father’s name as William. I might have a chance to visit the area in future, do you think there would be a chance to find the grave of a Christopher Upton?
Hi Liam: my apologies for the delay in responding to your latest message. My reason for thinking that William Bayly Upton’s father was Christopher Upton is that he called his eldest son Christopher. I know there is no assurance that the Uptons followed the “traditional” Irish naming pattern – they didn’t for their eldest daughter – but it is a reasonable guess. I found there was a Christopher Upton in Kilfinnane in the Freeholders lists of 1768 and 1776. That’s all I have to contribute. As to the chance of finding a grave for Christopher Upton in Kilfinnane, I have no idea. I have never had the opportunity to visit that area.